Mahathir is Back in action in UMNO

Mahathir is Back in action in UMNO
http://mahathir-mohamed.blogspot.com/

He's back. After six years of unofficial banishment from Umno, former premier Dr Mahathir Mohamad today spoke at a party function for the first time.

The occasion - officiating a motivational course organised by Pandan Umno division. The place - Institut Latihan Memperkasakan Umno in Janda Baik, Pahang, a 50-minute drive east of Kuala Lumpur.

This is the first time in six years after stepping down (as premier) that I have the opportunity to address Umno members, said Mahathir, who was clad in a red and white short-sleeve shirt.

He was apparently trying to make a point - red and white are after all the party colours.

The Tengku Temenggong of Kelantan

From: yansimon52
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 21:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 28 2009 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: The Tengku Temenggong of Kelantan

On Jun 28, 5:21 am, "oikia" wrote:

> In Malaysia we have too many parasites. I am of the opinion the bulk of them
> come from the royalty, the BN politicians, civil servants and arse lickers.
> They plunder the masses' coffers given any opportunity. How many of these
> people have not got their fingers on the till? Even enche dogol the village
> idiot knows what is going on amongst the PIGS who are perpectually on a
> feeding frenzy on the many feeding troughs created now and then"yansimon52" wrote in message

> news:b4892383-5c9b-4758-b8fa-7a0541d40ae6@f38g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 27, 12:54 pm, "AleXX"
> wrote:

> > ..is a sex maniac and a "chi-hong" and cunt
> > abuser.http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/Malaysia/Story/A1Story200...

> Most malaysian impression on Malaysian royalities are.....they eat,
> sleep and fuck...that's all....good for nothing


That is why they say 'if all malay wear pant.........all chinese got
to 'run-road'

So, all chinese in Malaysia must pray pray that those maleyu still
continue wear 'sarong'

Indonesian Maid Ban is Good for Malaysia

Only Good Things To Come From Indonesian Maid Ban
Posted by: peace4all

The ban on Indonesian maids will be good for Malaysia. There will be more demand for nurseries and daycare centers. That means more business and employment opportunities for Malaysians. Fewer maids, less outflow of money to Indonesia. Good for grandparents too because they can see their grandchildren more often. Most important, Malaysians will become healthier when they have to do their own housework. Children will be more responsible when they have to share the house chores. That means less time for negative activities. Malaysians have been pampered - do we really need Indonesian maids? Some coffee shops have several maids working as waitresses. Many households where the wife is not working are also employing maids. More time just to watch Astro or maybe play mahjong? Come on, lets show the Indonesian government we don't need their maids. Lets see if they can send the 300,000 maids here to Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan or even Saudi Arabia. Don't give in to their demands.

Govt agents killing the newsgroups and the opposition voices

From: Pierre
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 01:50:09 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: has this newsgroup been censored heavily

On Jun 25, 11:01 am, "Gordon" wrote:

> There are so few posts

It's a damned shame. soc.culture.malaysia used to have quality posts
from good writers during the internet's infancy in the 90s. Now it's
all just a bunch of loonies and crazies posting religious diatribe,
vent, frus and porn. It's as good as a dead newsgroup for all intents
and purposes.

=============================================

These so called loonies and crazies could very well be planted there by the governments to kill the newsgroup and its opposition views.

Otherwise, how come these loonies have so much free time posting almost non-stop around the clock with the same nonsenses???

Malaysian born Chinese girl - The next Aussie Prime Minister?

From: kangarooistan
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:13:52 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Jun 24 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Malaysian born Chinese girl takes strips off Aussie meatheads in Canberra

Penny Wong was born in Malaysia and elected into Canberra politics as
the FIRST Asian born woman in Australian Federal politics representing
South Australia

She takes strips off the men when she debates in Parliament

GREAT to hear her inaction in debates, she will do very well if she
keeps it up , and so will Australia , golly she makes the men look
like drunken meat headed football playing fools

listening to politics on the radio its amazing to hear how very very
effective the two women are , not just pretty faces they take strips
off the blokes in debates

Why not listen in and see if we can force them to start telling the
TRUTH , , and start debating REAL issues and not waste time sniping
lies about "non existent emails" and Israeli USA propaganda , or
wasting time on trivial garbage

ABC NewsRadio exclusively broadcasts live proceedings from Federal
Parliament nationally, giving you the opportunity to obtain unique
insights into the policy decisions that affect us all.
http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/parliament/overview.htm

Live broadcasting schedule
http://webcast.aph.gov.au/livebroadcasting/

ABC NewsRadio covers live sessions from the House of Representatives
and the Senate, along with a delayed broadcast of question times
during the evening. Please note that Parliament is broadcast on-air
and is not streamed online by the ABC.
To find your local frequency click here.
http://www.abc.net.au/newsradio/listen/frequencies.htm

Women doing very well in federal Politics lately ,there was a very
very good education available a decade or two ago

WE NEED MORE WOMEN IMHO

Preferably not aussie born drunken meatheaded LIARS

Why not elect MORE women like Penny and Julia, they run rings around
the men in Parliament

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Wong

Penny Wong

Senator The Honourable Penny Wong

Australian Senator for South Australia

Assumed office
1 July 2005
Minister for Climate Change and Water

Born 5 November 1968 (1968-11-05) (age 40)
Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, Malaysia
Nationality Australian
Political party Australian Labor Party
Residence Australia
Alma mater University of Adelaide

Website environment.gov.au

Penelope "Penny" Ying-yen Wong (Traditional Chinese:黃英賢,Hanyu
Pinyin:Huáng Yīngxián; born November 5, 1968), Australian Labor Party
politician, is the current and first Australian Minister for Climate
Change and Water.

She has been a member of the Australian Senate since 2002,
representing South Australia. Wong is the first Commonwealth
cabinet, Asian-born federal minister.[1][2]

Julia Gillard

The Honourable Julia Gillard
BA, LLB (Melb), MP
Julia Gillard
14th Deputy Prime Minister of Australia
Incumbent
Assumed office
3 December 2007

Member of the Australian Parliament for Lalor

Born 29 September 1961 (1961-09-29) (age 47)
Barry, Wales, UK
Nationality Australia
Political party Australian Labor Party
Residence Altona, Victoria[1]
Alma mater University of Melbourne, University of Adelaide
Occupation Politician

Julia Eileen Gillard (born 29 September 1961) is an Australian
politician and the current Deputy Prime Minister of Australia. She is
the fourteenth person to hold this position and is the deputy leader
of the federal Australian Labor Party.

Julia Gillard has been an ALP member of the Australian House of
Representatives since October 1998, representing the Division of
Lalor, Victoria.

She was elected unopposed as Deputy Leader on 4 December 2006. She
also became the Shadow Minister for Employment and Industrial
Relations and the Shadow Minister for Social Inclusion on 10 December
2006.[2]

Following Labor's victory in the 2007 Federal Election, Prime Minister
Kevin Rudd announced that Gillard would serve as the Minister for
Education, the Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations and
also the Minister for Social Inclusion.[3]

She is the first woman - and the first foreign-born person - to hold
the position of Deputy Prime Minister.

Until 5 September 2008, when Quentin Bryce became Governor-General,
she was the highest ranking Australian woman in the history of the
Australian government.

On 11 December 2007[4]she became the first woman in Australia's
history to be in the Prime Ministerial role, by assuming the role of
Acting Prime Minister

Malaysia Govt begged me to come back

From: "Gordon"
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:06:26 +1000
Local: Tues, Jun 23 2009 3:06 pm
Subject: Fucking arse hole corrupted beyond belief.

Subject:- One of the best story ...!!!

Posted by the guy named Sii Hoi Chan, he lives
in Kenyalang,

I was 18 in 1997, I came home half complete my
high school in England because my father was bankrupted. He was a
contractor, bankrupted because the licensee, Taib's uncle defaulted on
paying royalty to the Government. Pocketed all the money my father gave.

Together with 6 of my friends we went to Komat
in Sama Jaya to look for jobs as they only required MCE. To help out the
family. The HR lady was an Iban, on our turn she refused to give us
application forms, demanded our qualifications. Without even understanding
us, we were turned away. On further enquiry from us, she said, the 250 posts
were all filled. It was 10.25am and the application counter just opened at
9.30am. Asked the guard to show us out. Komat repeated publication for the
posts for another week. We went back again and again were rejected. This
time she asked us to look for jobs in China .

My uncle promptly help the six of us to look
for jobs from his contacts.. Ironically, we all ended up in Shenzhen China ,
working in a micro circuit board plant. We were trained by the American to
be testers as we know English. We did well, did so well that within 4 years,
we developed a special test using Argon emission from induced current.
Testing the board even more thoroughly and 40+ times the efficiency we were
doing.

After a few months of trial, the company
decided to subcontract all their circuit board testing to us using the new
testing system and they got the test done at a fraction of their cost doing
it manually.

Within 3 years, we are testing all the circuit
board of all the companies in Shenzhen then.

BELIEVE ME, WE ARE EACH NETTING 2 TO 3
MILLIONS USD A YEAR.

We spread to include contract in a lot of
companies of China , US, Germany and Finland .

We now employed 7600 people and 1600 from
Sarawak . Bumiputra or non-bumiputra who made the grade we after.

Why I am writting this...???
Today my company had been operating in Penang
for 6 months. We are employing 200 staffs. I was interviewing the senior
staffs for the job. One of the person that came in for the interview was
this Iban lady from Komat 10+ years ago. The lady who turned me away, the
lady who told me I am not eligible for the job, the lady who told me the
posts were filled when yet to select the first applicant of 250 and the lady
who asked me to go to China to look for a job.

I had the satisfaction to tell her all these
if I wanted to. Instead I listened to all her talked about how great she had
done in her former employment and now she was out on a huge VSS. How well
she will do for me with her experience and how much she like to work for
Chinese boss. she said she is the daughter of an influential Bumiputra man
and her husband doing well in business. I let her raved on with her
diatribe. Finally, when she realized she the one doing all the talking and I
was not even asking questions, she stopped.

I finally said, I know her. She was shocked,
for now I was properly suited up and not in T-shirt and jean the first time
we met.

I simply said, I like to thank her for asking
me to go back to China to look for work. I did, I made it and what she is
seeing today and the brochure I placed in front of her is in fact the
SUCCESS from disgust and disappointment of being a Malaysian Chinese.

She was murmuring to herself. I told her, she
will get a job from me but not as the senior HR, not as the assistant HR but
as an assistant to the assistant HR. She was shocked, happy and almost cry.
Then she confessed that her husband was bankrupted and her 3 children had to
be in the care of her sister.

I told her, she meant nothing to me, her race
meant nothing to me, what she had done also meant nothing to me; the insult,
the frustration the anguish of a young man trying to help his father. She
like anyone, she get her job done or out like anybody. I told her, I do not
care for YBs, Bumi policies or business opportunities in Malaysia . I do not
need Malaysia .

I CAME BECAUSE I AM BEGGED TO COME, BY THE
GOVERNMENT OF MALAYSIA.

close down MCA, MIC and Gerakan

From: Jesus Christ the Cunt Fucker
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:23:13 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jun 22 2009 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: close down MCA, MIC and Gerakan

yes , Malays should close dowm MCA
because the CPC is using MCA in Malaysia .

CPC = Communist Pasty of China .


On Jun 22, 10:58 am, "Gordon" wrote:

> They in my opinion are outdated and do not serve their communities. They are
> indeed very good lapdogs.

Why Brakes failed in Genting Buses

From: Paul Saccani
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:27:10 +0800
Local: Sat, Jun 20 2009 11:27 pm
Subject: Re: Don't stinge on brakes

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:18:11 +0800, "AleXX"

wrote:
>After 10 or more trips down the deep slope of Genting, even a newly
>installed braking system will have all its brake lining "botaklized"...

Only if you can't drive for shit. Any competent driver would scarcely
use the brakes.

I've seen plenty of idiots on Genting who evidently do not know how to
drive, to the extent of setting their brakes on fire.

>. The Boleh government of Malaysia should implement regulation to have new brakes
>on buses renewed every 10 trips up and down Genting.
>http://www.asiaone.com/Motoring/Motorworld/Story/A1Story20090619-1496...

The fact is, a competent bus driver can do the whole descent without
touching the brakes once, except at the bottom near the guard house.

You don't need to change the brakes, you need to change your driving
culture.

All you need to do is to use low gears and low speeds on the descent.
It is not hard at all.

Anyone relying on brakes is incompetent.
--
Cheers
Paul Saccani
Perth, Western Australia.

Survey shows Chin Peng not welcomed home

From: "Gordon"
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:49:30 +1000
Local: Fri, Jun 19 2009 5:49 pm
Subject: Survey shows Chin Peng not welcomed home

Datuk Abdullah Morad, the Director-General of the Malaysian Information
Department said that a survey had been carried out to gauge the people's
sentiments about Chin Peng, the former leader of the Communist Party of
Malaya to return to the country and it found that 80% of them did not want
him to come back. He said "The survey revealed that the people of all ethnic
groups could not accept Chin Peng because of the atrocities committed by him
during the emergency period and after the country attained independence.
There can be chaos in the country and the people can become confused if the
issue on Chin Peng continues to be played up by opposition leaders to gain
sympathy although the people have rejected Chin Peng's intention to return,"

Very strange that Murad did not carry out a survey re the rest of the Malay
communists when they were given the right to return to Malaysia. If I were
to carry out a survey re his competency, I am quite sure I will get a result
with 80% saying he is useless and stupid and should be thrown out into the
rubbish heap. Saddam Hussein's Information Minister up to the last minute
was still broadcasting that the war was going on well for Saddam.

From: "Gordon"
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:55:49 +1000
Local: Sat, Jun 20 2009 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: Survey shows Chin Peng not welcomed home

"adrian chin" wrote in message

> Let him come home so that we can put him on trial for crimes against
> citizens of Malaysia. Win win situation for all. He gets to come die at
> home and we get to see him in jail

Charge Razak for crimes committed during May 13. The truth has finally got
to surface. Charge Mamak for instigation against other races resulting in
May 13th. he can languish in jail for the rest of his days. Many people
willbe quite happy.

From: Paul Saccani
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:51:10 +0800
Local: Sat, Jun 20 2009 10:51 pm
Subject: Re: Survey shows Chin Peng not welcomed home

On 20 Jun 2009 13:40:57 +0800, adrian chin wrote:

>Let him come home so that we can put him on trial for crimes against
>citizens of Malaysia. Win win situation for all. He gets to come die at
>home and we get to see him in jail

There is no legal basis to charge him with those offences.

Nor is there a lawful basis to deny him entry to Malaysia. More than
that, he is even entitled to resettlement assistance.

But evidently, the Malaysian government has little respect for law and
their obligations willingly entered into in the international treaty
which they negotiated, signed and ratified..

I believe the term is buruk siku.

If the government didn't want to allow him entry to the country, they
should not have signed a treaty obliging them to do so.

From: CKSF
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:58:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 21 2009 4:58 am
Subject: Re: Survey shows Chin Peng not welcomed home

On Jun 20, 1:40 am, adrian chin wrote:

> Let him come home so that we can put him on trial for crimes against
> citizens of Malaysia. Win win situation for all. He gets to come die at
> home and we get to see him in jail

And pray tell what crimes are those? And do not prejudge until there
is actually a court case to answer for.


From: CKSF
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:59:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Survey shows Chin Peng not welcomed home

On Jun 20, 3:55 am, "Gordon" wrote:

> "adrian chin" wrote in message

> > Let him come home so that we can put him on trial for crimes against
> > citizens of Malaysia. Win win situation for all. He gets to come die at
> > home and we get to see him in jail

> Charge Razak for crimes committed during May 13. The truth has finally got
> to surface. Charge Mamak for instigation against other races resulting in
> May 13th. he can languish in jail for the rest of his days. Many people
> willbe quite happy.

Actually, it won't be Razak, but Harun and his entourage. And Mahathir
too.

Know your history.

Malaysia’s Sorry Human Rights Record

The US State Department’s Trafficking in Persons Report for 2009
Source: Asia Sentinel, 19 June 2009


Asian values apparently don’t protecting individuals from exploitation.

Asian governments variously proclaim commitment to Asian values, Confucian, Islamic or Marxist principles or the rule of statute law. Or all of them. But when it comes to human rights, to enforcing laws intended to protect individuals and families alike from exploitation, greed, slavery and discrimination somehow the values are forgotten in favor of money or convenience.

The latest report by the US State Department on Human Trafficking makes dismal reading, particularly for those countries which have the financial and governmental resources to do something about it which must include Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong and Macau.

Of course the governments can argue that a nation which brought the world the Iraq war and Guantanamo has no business lecturing others on human rights. But whatever they think of the US, citizens of Asian countries have every right to know about the abuses committed in their name by governments turning a blind eye to gross ill-treatment of fellow humans, many of which are already illegal and others should be.

The report is particularly harsh on Malaysia which has been relegated to Tier 3, the lowest category in a system which ranks countries according to the scale of the trafficking problems and the efforts of the government to address it. In Malaysia it seems that even follow Malaysians are the victims, not just unfortunates from poorer countries. Thus it notes reports of “women and girls of indigenous groups” being trafficked for sex. “Indigenous” clearly refers to non-Malay Bumiputeras and Orang Asli. So it is okay traffic so long as the victims are foreigners or non-Muslim?

It further notes the “credible reports” of Malaysian immigration officials being involved in trafficking in Burmese refugees from immigration detention centers. Although such claims have been made by NGOs and documented in TV programs, and in a US Senate report, they have been persistently denied by the Malaysian government. No immigration officials have been arrested or prosecuted, let alone convicted by a politicized court system, for involvement in trafficking.

The report further notes the continued abuse of foreign workers who were subject to bondage and coercion as a result of failure to pay their wages, surrender of passports and other measures which reduced them to a condition of forced labor. Although ministers spoke out against trafficking and labor abuses, in reality little was done.

While government inertia may be part of the problem in Malaysia as elsewhere, local observers note that a political class which is itself so corrupt has limited ability to address the corruption of officials whether immigration officers actively exploiting detained migrants or being paid to turn a blind eye to illegal labor practices.

Sultan of Johor says NO to third bridge

Najib may have to drop third bridge idea
Yesterday, 19 June, 2009, 5:43:34 PM
By Syed Jaymal Zahiid

KUALA LUMPUR, June 19 — Whether he likes it or not, the prime minister may have to drop the third bridge to Singapore idea simply because Johoreans don’t want it and that is all there is to it.

The Sultan of Johor rejected the idea yesterday after it was reported that he was not consulted on the project.

The rejection left Datuk Seri Najib Razak, who was in Sarawak at the time, moving into damage control mode at a press conference where he told reporters that the third bridge was only at a conceptual stage and the Johor ruler would be consulted once a feasibility study is done.

Dr M says no to third bridge, and no to unity talks

Dr M says no to third bridge, and no to unity talks
Yesterday, 19 June, 2009, 6:58:42 PM
By Neville Spykerman

KUALA LUMPUR, June 19 — Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad added today to the growing chorus of criticisms against Datuk Seri Najib Razak’s proposed third bridge to Singapore. He also warned Umno against pursuing the so-called unity talks, in a sign that he is beginning to disapprove of some of Najib’s policies.

The former prime minister said it would be a bad idea to have a government comprising only Malays.

He also revived the idea of building a crooked bridge to replace the Malaysian half of the Causeway, since Singapore was not in favour of a new bridge to replace the structure.

We can buy skills and talents but not integrity

From: Politikus
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:30:57 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jun 12 2009 5:30 pm
Subject: 'We can buy skills and talents but not integrity'

Steve Oh

I refer to the letters Search for better lives, non-bumis face dilemma and Why talented Malaysians have to leave.

In my opinion the writers in their letters merely highlight the plight of those Malaysians who feel disenchanted in their country of birth. Emigrating for a better life for oneself and one's family is not a crime or something reprehensible. And the phenomenon of human migration is not confined to Malaysians, and not uniquely to those of Chinese ethnicity.

If you look at what's happening in the world today, or peer into the past, you will note that human migration is quite normal. Today the Chinese from China want to go to the US while Americans want to go to China; young Japanese want to leave Japan, marry a foreigner and settle down overseas while Australians flock to Europe and elsewhere, even to Thailand and emerging countries. All of them do it for a
variety of personal and other reasons. The world is on the move!

Lee was merely sharing his experience and that in itself is commendable. The fact he wrote to a newspaper is proof he is trying to do something. Many in a similar situation are frustrated - they feel they want to do something, but don't quite know what and the least they can do is write and share their frustrations online in a civil manner.

He did proffer a solution: ‘It is time for the Malaysian government to take stock and revert to basics, or else we could expect a change of guard in four years time though it is probably too late now.' Still, that's a prescription after his diagnosis.

So I do not consider him a ‘shameless armchair critic.' The criticism seems unfair and gratuitous. But it is not only the talented who leave but a variety of people, and not all are non-Malays. I know of Malays living and working overseas who share similar sentiments about their country of birth, though they constitute a smaller group.

Few have the courage and conviction to give their lives to a political cause to change the status quo. Those who may have considered politics may also have been discouraged by the hurdles they faced. And with the reality of political harassment and victimsation, even fewer are prepared to stick their necks out for a cause. This is not confined to any ethnic group but common to all races, in Malaysia and elsewhere.

People have to weigh the pros and cons and decide for themselves what they should do, though there comes a time when they don't have a choice when the path ahead is obvious. They must change the system or the system will change them. After all bad company corrupts good character.

The tragedy in Malaysia is that normal civil activities are regarded as acts of sedition. And when innocent Malaysians are bundled into jail for taking part in legitimate expressions of their frustrations which they have the constitutional right to do, many like Lee become discouraged. Flight seems to be the easier alternative, and perhaps for people like him, rightly so.

Who wants to be a martyr? It is not a sin to leave for greener pastures, something that humans do everywhere, so why not Malaysians who may emigrate not only because of the sickness they see in their country but for other reasons? Even Dr Mahathir Mohamad himself has said he will emigrate if the government had done something he strongly disapproved of when Pak Lah was in power, so how much more ordinary
frustrated Malaysians? I don't blame them.

The root of the problem in Malaysia is not race or religion or politics. It is a human failing. When you have proud and greedy people in charge of any organisation or the administration, the result is unhappiness, injustice and discouragement. All you read in the news today of the problems in the country can be traced to human greed. When people think only of themselves and want more and more, then others will suffer.

It is true that a country like Australia offers immense opportunities that Malaysians can only dream about. It is the Malaysia that should have been after Merdeka had the governors been true nationalists instead of narrow-minded communalists, and the politicians not succumbed to greed and corruption. After all Singapore did it successfully themselves and is it any wonder that its bureaucracy is among the cleanest in the world and home-ownership is widespread? Small country indeed, but with big brains and cleaner hearts.

There are many similarities between Australia and Malaysia, both having three tiers of governance, Westminster-style democracies and a common historic link with the UK. And both are members of the Commonwealth and hugely endowed with natural resources and a cosmopolitan populace.

But is Australia the Utopia for everyone? Hardly. There is corruption, public waste, government incompetence and all the other faults as in any country. But one thing it has that many emergent countries, including Malaysia, crucially lack is accountability.

There is redress for the underdog in society. There are checks and balances not only in a political sense but also in a social sense. The corrupt politicians face media-hounding and exposure and eventual humiliation and punishment by the authorities while the poor and disadvantaged enjoy generous social welfare benefits and so on.

And above all, the police are professional and independent and not the lap dogs of politicians. The corrupt are usually dealt with and while corruption still occurs, those found out will be punished.

At home or abroad, every Malaysian should take a greater part in influencing the governance of their country. We all have different callings and gifts in life and we can't all do the same thing. But one thing we should all agree on is that more of the same will not do. We need to lift at least a finger to help the situation even if it is writing a letter to the editor. Better still every frustrated Malaysian should get active and join a political party or some other group that is constructively and positively effecting change - but for the better.

Don't assume that every change is for the better. We have seen what corrupt opposition politicians can do to exacerbate matters in Perak and elsewhere. Above all we need to honour men and women of integrity. We can buy skills and talents but not integrity.

It is a lesson that all who want to see positive change must realise that you can't put bad leaders among the honey pots. The moral character of leaders holds the key as to whether a nation will be a just or unjust, clean or corrupt state.

A true patriot is one who thinks of the people of his country and a humanitarian is one who cares for all. No one can be a good patriot who is not first a humanitarian. No one can be a leader who is not leader of all. Until we are able to love our neighbours as ourselves it is hypocritical to talk of nationhood, call it ‘1Nation' or whatever.

So in or out of the country, it is not where you are but what you do that matters. Everyone can help make Malaysia a better place by helping to overcome evil with good, and repairing the cracks in their society with constructive ideas and proactive deeds. But without conviction there will be no cause, and without a cause there is no cure.

Every move we make must be a good move. Ultimately good will triumph over evil - it is a historically proven script.

Mahathir attacks Lee Kuan Yew

Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:16:37 +0800
Local: Wed, Jun 17 2009 9:16 pm
Subject: Mahathir - KLF

Mahathir is the most kwai Lan. How true the saying that a leopard will never
change its spots. Can you spot this Kwai Lan's inferiority complex?

THE MODERN MIDDLE KINGDOM
By
Dr. Mahathir Mohamad
on June 15, 2009 3:10 PM

1. Ancient China considered itself the centre of the world and called itself
the Middle Kingdom. And well it should. It was far more advanced in every
way than Europe of the Dark Ages. Maybe China is thinking of making a
comeback.

2. But we already have a new Middle Kingdom now. During Lee Kuan Yew's
triumphant visit to Malaysia he made it known to the Malaysian supplicants
that Singapore regards the lands within 6000 miles radius of Singapore as
its hinterland. This includes Beijing and Tokyo and of course Malaysia.

3. Of course this self-deluding perception places Singapore at the centre of
a vast region. It is therefore the latter day Middle Kingdom. The rest are
peripheral and are there to serve the interest of this somewhat tiny Middle
Kingdom.

4. Kuan Yew also explained that the fear Singapore Chinese would control
Iskandar whatever is not justified. Malays can also work there. It is good
to know that Malays can also work in their own country. I wonder as what?
Maybe someone should make a study of the Malays of Singapore just to know
what it is like to be a Malay minority in their own country.

5. As for the 3 sen per 1000 gallons of raw water supplied to Singapore Lee
says it was absurd for the former Prime Minister of hinterland Malaysia to
ask to increase it to RM8 per 1000 gallons. I don't know where he got this.
Some Malaysian officers did suggest this figure but we were ready to bargain
and maybe settle for RM3. And why not? Johore sells raw water to Melaka for
30 sen, 1000% higher than to Singapore. And Melaka is, I believe, a part of
Malaysia! Some Malaysians may see the irony of this.

6. The great 5th Prime Minister has decided that since the people of Johore
did not want to sell sand to Singapore, Malaysia would not build any bridge,
straight or crooked, or negotiate and settle the other issues like the
Central Provident Fund, the Railway land. Maybe the 5th Prime Minister
thinks he is punishing Singapore. Actually he is giving Singapore what its
wants including the 3 sen per 1000 gallons water until 2061. Think of how
many grains of nasi lemak we can buy with 3 sen in 2061. Imagine what 1000
gallons will earn for Singapore at that time. Can't think of a more astute
PM for Malaysia.

7. All those who met the great man from the little country were lectured on
how Malaysia should be run. We should not have anymore problems now. We have
been told the direction to take. MCA must help UMNO to win because Singapore
does not want an Islamic Party like PAS to win. We must ensure this. Sorry
PAS. Working with the DAP, the offspring of PAP has not endeared you to Mr
Lee.

8. I have a lot more to say about this little Emperor but I will reserve it
for later.

Anwar: Let Chin Peng return to Malaysia

From: "Gordon"
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:34:45 +1000
Local: Sun, Jun 14 2009 3:34 pm
Subject: Re: Chin Peng vs Anwar

MM the son of Mahathir is making a mountain out of a mole hill in his own
interest. Chin Peng is an old man and is no more a threat to anyone. The
Malaysian government signed an agreement to allow these communists to return
and we fail to honour the agreement for Chin Peng. Allowing the Malay
communists to return without too much fanfair whilst refusing to allow Chin
Peng to return too is just plain unfair. The man is no threat to anyone now.
All these bullshit about the arm forces not forgiving him is just plain
bullshit.

"Tetuang" wrote in message

Have you got a room ready for him in your house....

Regards,
Tetuang
================================
KAJANG: PKR adviser Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim has come out in support
of former Communist Party of Malaya (CPM) leader Chin Peng’s return to
Malaysia.

He said Chin Peng should be forgiven and allowed to return on
humanitarian grounds.

“If we are friends with China why can’t we have peace with Chin Peng?”
he told reporters during PKR’s special convention yesterday.

Anwar said Indonesia had already rehabilitated its communists,
although they were involved in atrocities against the people there.
The Malaysian government, he said, should do the same.

“We oppose the militant actions of communist terrorists and do not
support their ideology. However, if Shamsiah Fakeh and Rashid Maidin
were allowed to return, why not Chin Peng?” he asked.

Meanwhile, Deputy International Trade and Industry Minister Datuk
Mukhriz Mahathir said Chin Peng killed innocent Malayans, and he did
not do it under the instruction of the government of China.

“Therefore, it is wrong to compare the PKM (Parti Komunis Malaya) led
by Chin Peng to the Communist Party of China,” he said, stressing that
Chin Peng was a leader of a terrorist movement. Anwar’s statement
showed that he did not value the sacrifices of the Armed Forces who
defended their homeland, he said.

He challenged Anwar to find one member of the Malaysian Armed Forces
who agreed with his views.

What has loyalty got to do with education?

From: Politikus
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 02:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 14 2009 5:59 pm
Subject: What has loyalty got to do with education?

Everytime something goes wrong, blame it on English... when will this
stop? :-(

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What has loyalty got to do with education?
Dr Mathew Sebastian | Jun 12, 09 5:16pm

Every time something good is in progress, somebody has to jump in and
make a disaster of the impending progress. It is now just about seven
years or so since English was made the medium for science and
mathematics in schools. That was a well thought-out policy by our
former prime minister Dr Mahathir Mohammad. Everything has been set in
place and is running well.

The children are doing well and are coping well. This is definitely a
step in the right direction for their further education in the
universities whether local or foreign. Now, all of a sudden, some
language protagonists (for what hidden agenda I have no idea
whatsoever) have started making noise both in public and private and
this has shaken our government so badly so much so they have been
thrown off balance.

It is at a point of topsy- turvy as far as our children are concerned.
It is one thing for today and another for tomorrow. Let me remind
Malaysians about what happened many years ago in Malaysia. We had such
excellent schools like the La Salle schools and the Convent schools
that produced outstanding citizens of all races in this country. These
schools excelled themselves, producing the nation's top students both
academic as well as all-rounded students up to Form Six.

Nobody could beat the sense of dedication of the teachers of these
schools and the sense of pride enjoyed by these students is indeed
nostalgia for today. Then, the government of the day found reason to
derecognise these schools and decided to abolish and turn them into
‘national type' schools. The golden era of education ended abruptly to
the chagrin of many.

Today, that English language being used to teach Science and
Mathematics is being debated and the government is being thrashed to
smithereens to discontinue this. It beats my intelligence to listen to
some of the rationale being espoused by so-called protagonists of
their agenda. Below are some of them

Malaysians should be loyal to our national language: Well, what in
god's name has loyalty got to do with education? The bottom line is
knowledge. If knowledge has to be acquired through education then seek
out the knowledge. That knowledge is available from the millions of
books all over the world. Most of the best books are available in our
own libraries.

Let us not kid ourselves by telling ourselves that these books can be
easily translated into Bahasa Malaysia and therefore it should be
taught in Bahasa. If translations are done for the sake of
translations, then where is the depth of knowledge? Do we have enough
Bahasa intellectuals to do perfect translations of professional
subjects?

In short, if one wants to seek knowledge in its entirety, then seek
them in the English language text books. It is the inherent knowledge
that gives you the right intuition, the right intrusion on the subject
matter and the ability to develop the right creativity skills on the
profession or subject that you have studied. If you fail here, then
one would remain as a piece of brick plastered into the cement walls
and you can't move an inch further.

From the video recordings shown on the Internet of the recent protest
demonstrations in KL against the teaching of mathematics and science
in English, it did appear that most of the demonstrators did not
appear to be serious-minded students hellbent on acquiring knowledge
but rather some disinterested male characters who definitely did not
belong to the studious category but more like the Mat Rempits in town
causing havoc for residents and their neighbourhoods.

Surely we can't use these chaps as a yardstick for what is best for
our younger generation of students who are more interested in bringing
pride to themselves and their parents.

If there are people who are hellbent on creating problems for the
government, then the solution is simple. Just give them the option of
choosing the language of their choice. It can either be in Bahasa or
in English. In any event, most teachers do teach science and
mathematics with a mixture of English and Bahasa. So it does not make
any difference.

With a choice available of either the national language or English,
then those wishing to acquire further education - be it in local or
foreign universities - it would be smooth-flowing. However, please do
not deprive those who wish to seek knowledge or force them to be
ostracised due to language maniacs.

Finally, I wish to propose to the government that every trade or job
be tied up to a proper certification. This means if one wants to be a
bricklayer, then he should be certified and the same goes for food
handlers, chefs, masons, electricians, motor mechanics etc. This is
how it is done in Australia or in any of the developed nations.

Any student who has no aptitude in studies should be advised
accordingly and each should be encouraged to take up certificate
courses before heshe is allowed to take up a trade. Let them not take
up an education that is going to end in them being unemployable.

My love for the country in inherent and it is not dependent on the
knowledge that I seek.

Buckle up, Indians and Chinese are coming: Obama to Americans , by 2030 the Chinese Economy is bigger than the USA

From: "Gordon"
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:19:41 +1000
Local: Sun, Jun 14 2009 6:19 am
Subject: Re: Buckle up, Indians and Chinese are coming: Obama to Americans , by 2030 the Chinese Economy is bigger than the USA

Malaysians too have to buckle up for the speed with which Malaysia is going
backwards will in a short time reduce the country to the dark ages.
Corruption is a great disease that is spreading amongst the populace at
unprescedented levels. There appears to be no shred of integrity amongst
the whole populace.

> ...Australia would always remain the nation of trolly pushers:

> Buckle up, Indians and Chinese are coming: Obama to Americans

> 12 Jun 2009, 0836 hrs IST, PTI

> WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama has exhorted his countrymen to
> buckle
> up as the Indians and Chinese are catching them fast, as Americans
> have now settled into mediocrity.

> "Our kids are falling behind when it comes to science. We have kind of
> settled into mediocrity when we compare ourselves to other advanced
> countries and wealthy countries," Obama said in a town hall speech on
> health
> care in Green Bay, Wisconsin.

> "That's a problem because the reason that America over the last hundred
> years has consistently been the wealthiest nation is because we've also
> been
> the most educated nation," he said.

> "It used to be by a pretty sizable factor we had the highest high school
> graduation rates, we had the highest college graduation rates, we had the
> highest number of PhDs, the highest number of engineers and scientists,"
> Obama said.

> The President said though the Americans used to be "head and shoulders
> above" the people of other countries, especially in the field of
> education,
> they were fast losing that position.

> "So even with the good schools, we have got to pick up the pace, because
> the
> world has gotten competitive. The Chinese, the Indians, they are coming at
> us and they're coming at us hard, and they're hungry, and they're really
> buckling down," Obama said.

> Ever since he started his presidential campaign more than two years ago,
> Obama has been urging people in the US to gear up to match the increasing
> talent of the Chinese and Indian students. "Their kids watch a lot less TV
> than our kids do, play a lot fewer video games, they are in the classroom
> a
> lot longer," Obama said amidst applause.

> "So here's the bottom line. We've got to improve, we've got to step up our
> game -- which brings me to the next point in your question, which is, how
> do
> we do that? I agree with you that if all we're doing is spreading around a
> lot of standardised tests and teaching to the test, that's not improving
> our
> education system," he said.

> "We do need to have accountability, however. We do need to measure
> progress
> with our kids. Maybe it's just one standardised test, plus portfolios of
> work that kids are doing, plus observing the classroom. There can be a
> whole
> range of assessments, but we do have to have some kind of accountability,"
> Obama said.

> Secondly, Obama said there is need to upgrade the professional development
> for teachers. "we have got a lot of teachers who are well-meaning, but
> they
> are teaching science and they didn't major in science and they don't
> necessarily know science that well," he said.

Search for better lives, non-bumis face dilemma

From: Politikus
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 02:35:01 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jun 12 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: Search for better lives, non-bumis face dilemma


Derrick Chan | May 28, 09 6:22pm

I refer to the opinion written by George CN Lee titled "Why talented
Malaysians have to leave".

George's opinion is shared by many Malaysians. This is especially
among Malaysians of non-bumiputera origin. He points out the
negativity in the economic, social and political situation in
Malaysia. Mr. Lee is a shameless armchair critic.

Mr. Lee sends his pessimistic views from a far. What makes it more
difficult for me to stomach is that he offers no solution to the
problem. He also refuses to be part of the solution. He complaint
about Malaysia even after calling somewhere else home. I know many
will agree that this is just plain typical of the third generation of
Malaysians of Chinese-origin.

I dislike the effect his opinion will have on Malaysians. Mr. Lee has
inadvertently encouraged Malaysians to migrate by painting a very
sorrowful situation in Malaysia. I admit that what he wrote is true
and I do not deny it. However, the sad part is that other ex-
Malaysians like Mr. Lee are too afraid to take part in the movement
for change. He has decided that flight is better than fight.

Like Mr. Lee, I am a Malaysian of Chinese origin. As I grew up, I came
to terms that I am a Malaysian-born citizen who happens to be a
Chinese. It was by fate, and not design.

Back then in China, the local armed strife is well-documented. As a
result, my ancestors left China many years ago. They were left with no
choice as the land they toiled was forcefully taken over by the
Communist movement, by force, in China. They were left in dire
conditions. It broke their hearts to leave but they had to because
they were supporters of democratic principles. They tried their best
and risked their lives trying to counter the Communist movement but
failed. It was only then they decided to take flight.

They boarded ships, not knowing where they would land. All they knew
was that they were heading South. I believed that it was destiny that
brought them to the shores of the peninsular so that they could
rebuild their lives and live peacefully. The then Malaya provided them
with this excellent opportunity. This was a land that gave new hope
and as I like to call it, they lived the Malaysian Dream.

There is a caveat to my definition of ‘Malaysian Dream'. It is unlike
the American Dream. I would not be able to define this in my short
treatise. However, the summary of my Malaysian Dream is that every
Malaysian regardless of race is accorded the justice and equality to
build a home and live happy lives. I can imagine that many of you
think that equality and justice is a fable to non-bumiputeras and I do
not deny it. However, we can change it to what it was before and
flourish like how Malaysia did in its formative years.

I would be lying if I said that I have never considered migration. I
have but not anymore. I weighed the pros and cons of why I should and
should not migrate. I even went to the extent of writing it down. At
the end, I came to the conclusion that I would never ever leave home.
I was born in this country and I will be buried with my forefathers
who also call this place home.

Home is an institution. It is unlike a house. A house is merely a
structure with four walls and a roof over it. I must say that Malaysia
as my home is still an institution. It has not been reduced to a
house. Malaysia was a good home to all of us.

About 60 to 70 years ago, you would hardly hear anything about racial
conflict. Everyone lived in peace and harmony. However, for Malaysia
to maintain its homely status, it needs housekeeping. And housekeeping
is every Malaysian citizen's duty.

It was not until all of us Malaysians started to be complacent and
left the duties of housekeeping to a few people. The Malaysians who
became complacent started not to care. This contributed to the
infamous ‘tidak apa' attitude that still prevails in Malaysia.

Mr. Lee compares the living standards between Malaysian and Australia.
I shall take the bull by the horns on this issue. The reason that
Australia and other Western countries have better system of governance
is simple: The people who live there have a more participative
attitude towards governance. This is opposed to the nonchalant
attitude among Malaysians and an example of this would be that they
have never voted in their lives.

They are scared to participate in civil society. They're afraid to
join peaceful protests in Malaysia because they're afraid that the sun
will darken their skin. Basically, they're just not interested. This
non-interested approached has hurt Malaysia and is the main cause why
Malaysia is in the state it is today.

Every Malaysian is given a broom by right. That broom is to clean up
our home. It is to keep it neat and tidy. However, the sad thing is
that many Malaysians have never lifted that broom. They've assumed
that it's better to flee to other countries, as if they don't have
housekeeping duties there.

To sum this up, my message to fellow Malaysians is simple: Go and pick
up that broom you were given. Go and participate in the democratic
movement in Malaysia and get involved especially if you, such as Mr.
George Lee, think that Malaysia is losing its status of being a home
to you. Don't be persuaded by what he says. He didn't bother lifting
up the broom to tidy our home.

Don't throw in the towel until the broom you've been given is broken.
If your broom breaks like how my ancestor's one broke in China, then I
would not fault you if you take flight as you've already fought.
I will certainly not give up on Malaysia. I hope you will not too.


From: "Gordon"
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:34:14 +1000
Local: Sat, Jun 13 2009 6:34 am
Subject: Re: Search for better lives, non-bumis face dilemma

Are you going to be a suicide bomber to show an example that you want to
stand up for the cause? Going in as protesters will not be of any use. If
you make too much noise, they will just jail you. A few suicide bombers will
force the government to change and start according fairness to all. It is
bums like you that enable the current system to flourish


From: prophet Muhammud the Child Fucker
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, Jun 13 2009 11:27 am
Subject: Re: Search for better lives, non-bumis face dilemma just like in Indonesia

the Malay government is trying to preserve Malaysia
for the Malay people who are under constant threat
from the agressive Chinese migrants in Malaysia .

the Indonesian government is trying to do the same thing .

the Thai government is totally controlled by the Fake Thai
who in REALITY are Chinese in Thailand using Thai names .

Look at Thaksin who is 1005 pure Hakka Chinese ,
look at the Chairman of BangKok bank , who is pure Chinese ,
Mr. Sophonpanich is Chinese and is Chairman of Bangkok Bank .

Mr. Sophonanich 's Chinese name is Robin Chan in Hong Kong .

It's time Malaysia changes for the good to please the Chinese people in Malaysia

From: Taiwanese
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:09:22 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 14 2009 1:09 am
Subject: Re: It's time Malaysia changes for the good to please the Chinese people in Malaysia

You are dame innocent. Come and visit Singapore Malay family yourself.
Many Singaporean Malay not only has a good life better than many
ordinary hardworking Chinese, they are staying in very welled
renovated houses better than many hardworking Chinese family, and many
Singaporean Malay even has extra money to own big landed properties in
Malaysia.

In short, Malay Singaporean are much better than those ordinary
Malaysian or Indonesian. Check it out and see how many millions of
people from South East Asian countries such as Malaysia, Philippine,
Vietnam, Myanmar, Indonesia and even Indian and Nepalese, all enjoy
better opportunity than local Singaporean Chinese.

wrote:
> if Chinese were to have all the freedom
> in Malaysia ,and equal rights in Malaysia with the Malays .
> Malaysia will become a Chinese territory , just like Singapore,
> then where should all the Malays go ?
> to hell ?


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From: Khairy
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 10:29:32 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 14 2009 1:29 am
Subject: Re: It's time Malaysia changes for the good to please the Chinese people in Malaysia

On Jun 13, 11:50 pm, Taiwanese wrote:

> Many Malay in UMNO like you simply want to safe guard their
> own personal wealth income sources using the racist political slogan.

Melayu Telah Berubah, Utusan Belum…

Bagi kebanyakan orang, Ahad adalah hari untuk rehat kerana ia hari
cuti. Malangnya Mingguan Malaysia semalam (31 Mei 2009) tidak
membolehkan saya rehat dan merasa tenang. Malahan tulisan-tulisan
dalam akhbar itu menimbulkan rasa kecewa, mengingatkan saya betapa
jauhnya akhbar Melayu ini dari realiti sebenar kehidupan di Malaysia
serta besar jurang pendirian akhbar itu dengan pemikiran orang Melayu
masa ini. Mungkin inilah menyebabkan Utusan semakin hari semakin
kurang orang membacanya. Tema dan asas cerita utamanya adalah
perkauman, perkauman dan perkauman.

Saya sebenarnya sudah malas baca tapi bila melihat tajuk “Melayu
dikhianati?” tulisan ideologi utamanya Awang Selamat, saya paksa diri
untuk tahu lebih lanjut. Kata Awang Selamat, semakin hari semakin
teruk hatinya ditoreh oleh tuntutan kaum bukan Melayu yang dakwanya
berbau rasis yanag berkemuncak sekarang ini dan bermula sejak
keputusan pilihanraya yang lepas. Wah! Dengan lain perkataan, rakyat
Malaysia mestilah menjaga hati Awang Selamat sebelum membuat apa-apa
tuntutan kerana bila hati Awang Selamat tertoreh, maka hati UMNO pun
tertoreh; dan bila hati UMNO tertoreh maka hati Melayu pun tertoreh.
Begitulah agaknya logik Awang Selamat.

Dia tidak sedikit pun mengulas apa yang dituntut oleh rakyat Malaysia
yang bukan Melayu itu. Apakah yang “kerterlaluan” itu? Kalau pun
mereka bertanya soal biasiswa atau pembahagian tanah atau peluang
kerja; tak bolehkah dijawab secara rasional dan berpandukan fakta.
Mengapa mudah benar tertoreh hati? Apakah segala tuntutan orang bukan
Melayu itu (yang ada hak di bawah Perlembagaan) tidak wajar dan tidak
berasas? Mengikut Awang Selamat begitulah agaknya kerana 50 tahun
dahulu UMNO dan Melayu telah “bermurah hati” memberi kerakyatan kepada
nenek moyang mereka semasa Merdeka. Jadi kerana kerakyatan itu diberi
atas ehsan dan besar hati UMNO maka anak cucu mereka tidak sama sekali
boleh MEMBUAT APA-APA TUNTUTAN kerana mereka mesti sentiasa dan selama-
lamanya mengenang budi kemurahan hati UMNO.

Pemikiran seperti inilah yang saya maksudkan sudah tidak laku dan
ditolak oleh rakyat semua. Bila rakyat meminta sesuatu walaupun dari
Melayu, Cina atau India, adalah menjadi tanggungjawab kerajaan (dan
akhbar yang bertanggung jawab menilainya) untuk cuba menunaikan
permintaan tersebut. Kalau keterlaluan, terangkan saja mengapa tapi
jangan ungkit sejarah untuk menutup kekurangan kita. Janganlah
sentiasa naik marah dan mengugut dan memberi serpihan sejarah yang
tidak lengkap untuk membuat modal politik.

Kita mendapat kemerdekaan kerana British telah bersetuju dengan pihak
Perikatan dalam hal syarat-syarat kemerdekaan tersebut. Bila kita
bersetuju, kita hormatilah perjanjian tersebut. Usahlah nak ungkit
bahawa kita bermurah hati memberi kerakyatan yang mudah kepada Cina
dan India. Hakikatnya itulah syarat yang kita setuju. Tak ada siapa
yang memaksa kita memberi kemudahan itu. Pada masa itu adalah mustahil
untuk British melepaskan Malaya pada tahun 1957 jika soal
kewarganegaraan kaum Cina dan India tidak selesai. Sejak Gerald
Templer dihantar ke sini oleh Winston Churchill pada tahun 1952, semua
pihak berusaha mencari jalan ke arah memerdekakan Malaya tetapi dengan
syarat yang perlu diselesaikan ialah penerimaan kaum Cina dan India
sebagai warganegara. Kerajaan British tegas dalam hal ini. Dan UMNO
setuju dengan syarat ini. Itulah harga kemerdekaan yang Perikatan
faham dam menerima dengan hati terbuka. Apakah Utusan ada fakta
sejarah yang berbeza?
Tapi katakanlah kita terima pandangan kononnya UMNO telah “bermurah
hati “tentang kerakyatan kepada mereka yang menjadi warganegara lebih
50 tahun dahulu; adakah Awang Selamat mengharapkan cucu cicit mereka
sekarang ini tidak langsung boleh bersuara tentang hak mereka? Adakah
mereka perlu diam kerana tok nenek mereka dulu kononnya telah mendapat
ehsan dari UMNO? Pemikiran feudal ini tidak ada tempat dalam sabuah
Negara moden yang menghormati hak rakyat nya sendiri.

Satu lagi rencana ialah tulisan pengarang kanan Zulkiflee Bakar yang
memberi nasihat kapada pembaca Utusan supaya jangan buta sejarah.
Agaknya Melayu macam saya ini dianggap buta sejarah. Sebenarnya soal
sejarah tidak sukar dipelajari dan saya memang berminat untuk
mengetahui lebih lanjut tentang sejarah. Tetapi orang yang paling
malang dan kita kasihan ialah orang yang buta hati. Bila hati kita
buta, tidak ada fakta dan ilmu yang dapat mengisi kekosongan dalam
diri kita. Akhbar Utusan dan Mingguan sepatutnya membantu Perdana
Menteri meneroka paradigma baru seperti dalam mencari erti 1 Malaysia
yang sebenar (perkataanya pun ialah Malaysia; bukan mana-mana kaum
tertentu). Akhbar ini sepatutnya membantu Perdana Menteri mencari
jalan membangunkan ekonomi dengan pendekatan dan dasar yang lebih
pragmatik dan adil. Akhbar sepatutnya mencadangkan cara yang pragtik
dan progresif untuk membantu PM bukan menjadi pelobi ideologi yang
usang.

Tapi Utusan masih mahukan gurindam perkauman. Bagi Utusan, Melayu
gagal kerana orang Cina, kerana orang India. Sedarlah Utusan, orang
bukan Melayu dan Melayu sendiri pun sudah dapat membezakan antara
Melayu dan UMNO, tahu bahawa bila dasar UMNO dikritik, ia bukan
mencabar Melayu tetapi mencabar UMNO. Usaha nak lagakan Melayu dan
Cina kian hebat di usahakan tetapi percaya lah api perkauman tidak
mungkin dapat menyala saperti dahulu. Usahlah mudah tertoreh hati bila
sesuatu dasar UMNO dikritik dan dipersoalkan. Orang Melayu telah
banyak berubah minda dan kefahaman mereka tentang Malaysia dan masa
depan mereka; mereka tahu perbezaan itu. Mereka tahu apa yang menanti
dalam dunia yang penuh mencabar ini. Dan apa perubahan yang perlu
mereka lakukan. Cuma Utusan belum sedar perubahan ini.

No toilet at the most beautiful beach

From: "Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad"
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 16:09:43 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 14 2009 7:09 am
Subject: Not toilet at the most beautiful beach

You can see the picture of our toilet at sabahcolonised.blogspot.com

Rubbish is everywhere especially non-biodegradable plastic bottles.

That is why I urge my family and friends to enjoy Kulambu Beach while
it is still enjoyable. Sooner or later it will be turned to Batu Sapi,
that used to be even more beautiful but now among the ugliest in the
whole world.

Bak-bak beach may look beautiful with its calm sea but Kudat Beach was
much better. It was just next to Kudat Town with white sandy beaches.

Kudat has a calm sea because it is within Marudu bay, but Batu Sapi is
even calmer because it is within Sandakan bay, and Batu Sapi is an
island just like Kulambu island.

Malaysian education when compared to Australian

From: "Gordon"
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:21:23 +1000
Local: Sun, Jun 14 2009 6:21 am
Subject: Re: Do not waste your money or time on a third rate education in Australia

Malaysian education when compared to Australian is gutter class.

"wakaluk....@yahoo.com.sg" wrote in message

Chinese in Malaysia are continuing to send
Chinese children to get Resident status in Australia .

> Do not waste your money or time on a third rate education in
> Australia. The universities there are not known for anything other
> than being a money making scam.

> The locals who pass out of such institutions are qualified for a life
> of crime and little else. The govt. there pretends no such racism
> exists even while it rakes in exorbiant tuition fees for a worthless
> education.

> This is the treatment you can expect :

> ------------
> 22-year-old Indian student attacked in Australia
> 12 Jun 2009, 0906 hrs IST, PTI

> MELBOURNE: In yet another racial attack on Indians in Australia, a 22-
> year-old student was allegedly assaulted by a teenager in Adelaide
> after making "rude" comments about his turban.

> Police said the student suffered a broken nose in the assault in
> Adelaide's busy market area of Rundle Mall yesterday and that they
> have arrested a 17-year-old youth in this connection.

> itimes: Share your experience in Australia

> They said the attacker has been bailed to appear in the Adelaide Youth
> Court.

> The attack comes after Indian students in Melbourne and Sydney have
> held series of rallies over violent attacks and repeated calls for an
> inquiry into racial attacks against them.

> Local media quoted the victim, who requested anonymity, as saying that
> the attacker started a confrontation by making "rude comments" about
> his turban.

> In another incident, Pakistani student Yasir Raja, 26, believes his
> Holden Commodore was torched because of its "Raja" number plate.

> Raja said friends living in the Enfield area had increased security
> around their homes in fear of racist attacks.

Why talented Malaysians have to leave

From: "Gordon"
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:40:46 +1000
Local: Sat, Jun 13 2009 6:40 am
Subject: Re: Why talented Malaysians have to leave

The system is as thus because you own kind sold all of you for their own
selfish wants.

Why talented Malaysians have to leave - Pt 2
George Lee | Jun 12, 09 5:16pm

Slightly more than a week ago, I wrote a letter to share with people,
especially Malaysians, on why talented Malaysians decide to leave.
Since then, the reactions have been awe-inspiring. They have inspired
me to continue writing from where I left off.

There have been many encouraging as well as challenging responses.
Truthfully, either way, I am moved by these eloquent individuals who
have uttered their constructive comments in a communal manner. It is
my humble intent to get the subject underway from the very beginning
in order to create greater awareness.

Over the years, we have heard the government pouring out its
disgruntlement over a ‘brain drain' but for obvious reason the seepage
is no way near an end. Like it or not, the flight of human capital is
intimately linked to the social and economic factors and these have a
lot to do with the political dynamism of the government.

It has been a year and three months (a big ‘sigh'!) since the last
election but the political parties of the ruling coalition are just as
incompetent of recovering from the devastation as seen from their
inability to advocate change, infighting and self-denial (it cannot
bear a single hard blow!).

Hence, we need to ask ourselves - do we still need this government who
has not only failed us (though it won the 12th general election) but
is on the verge of self-extinction with its apathetic approach to
issues concerning people's livelihood?

Previously, I momentarily mentioned that the solution to our political
predicament is people's power: ‘government to take stock and must
return to basics... else a change of guard'. I am very relieved that
the writer of We can buy skills and talents but not integrity was able
to see my point.

When we mention people's power, it means Malaysians regardless of
race, religion or region (where are we) with the same aim ie, a vote
for ultimate transformation in the coming 13th general election.

Yes, there are shameless armchair critics within the society today as
highlighted by the writer of Search for better lives, non-bumis face
dilemma. I do not feel any distaste towards the writer's observation
because everyone is entitled to their views. Similarly the writer of
‘We can buy skills and talents but not integrity' felt that because I
wrote a letter, I had done something which disqualified me from the
shameless armchair.

Truthfully, I do not want to make a fuss concerning the shameless
armchair critic. I strongly believe that all Malaysians no matter
where we are (with the exception of the extremists who do not want to
hear let alone do), can contribute to make Malaysia a better brand
name, so to speak.

Allow me to put few facts in perspective before I proceed. Many of us
who we are living away have not given up our Malaysia passports and
identities. Migration absolutely does not signify one's wealth as we
fall in the category of ‘skill migration'. As a permanent resident, we
had to start from the beginning and work our way through like anyone
else. The only difference is that we are living in a system that cares
for our livelihood and we feel safe.

As far as Malaysia is concerned, we are patriotic enough and we are
not ashamed to demonstrate that. Our hearts are still with it and we
are not about to leave it ‘dying'. Our feelings do not change no
matter how far we are. Besides having the prerogative to vote, we know
that we can continue to play a role for the betterment of Malaysia.

One important point mentioned was that we could contribute by looking
at Malaysia from the ‘outside'. This is a profound view. In my
previous letter, I had absolutely no ulterior intention to run down
the country. I was depicting the truth based on my many years of work
experience in Malaysia (17 years when l left).

Seventeen years is not a short time. I reckon a person would able to
feel whether the society is functioning well given this amount of
time. For example, I was definitely shell shocked by the egotistic
attitude of the staff from the ministry of education when I tried to
seek information personally. When I came over here, the system is
completely the opposite. I was flattered by the warmth shown by the
education department and schools at the state level.

I do not think it needs a genius to delineate what composites good
governance. I am always dumbfounded whenever I compare the two
systems. If the Malaysian ministry of education can take in two-third
of their Down Under counterpart's mind-set, I shall be over the moon.
Malaysia is probably still a developing country but the concern is
that some of the adored government servants are still preserving the
same old styles and habits year in year out. This mentality is a large
baggage to carry if Malaysia wants to become an indisputable developed
nation. It is time to change.

Without a doubt, many Malaysians are where we are because of the
attainment of basic needs like physiological and safety (rather than
those higher in the hierarchy like esteem, and self-actualisation -
Abraham Maslow pyramid of needs). Moving a way, for many
professionals, is a matter of economic survival rather than a love for
migration. Many professionals are global workers and they go where the
opportunities beckon. Can they be faulted for this? This explanation
is not to justify our reason to stay away but it is a fact of life for
many Malaysians.

Truthfully, the issue is not about why we leave or where we are but
how we fight and what are we are going to do. I empathise with the
writer of ‘Search for better lives, non-bumis face dilemma' in that
many Malaysians do not bother lifting up the broom to tidy our home.

I for one have a high regard for the courage and scarifies displayed
by Malaysians holding peaceful demonstrations within the democratic
space. These people are genuine ‘freedom fighters'. Nevertheless, we
need to respect that everyone has their own temperaments and beliefs.

To fight against prejudice, there are many roles Malaysians can play
beyond wearing headgear and shouting slogans. I would like to refer
the writer of It's time Malaysia changes for the good. The role he can
play is to continue highlighting Malaysia in Britain as a high-ranking
officer in the British government. He must not feel ashamed of what is
happening in Malaysia but instead replace it with proactive deeds.

As for the writer of Picking a fight with 'the system' our whole
lives, she is at a crossroads between two systems. In my humblest
opinion, her role is to make the most of the opportunity by choosing a
system that can assist her in her career and which could make Malaysia
proud. Eventually the world knows the quandary of Malaysians and the
reason for their leaving which puts pressure on the Malaysia
government (if it cares!) to act else risk losing its competitiveness.
Her role is to excel herself to demonstrate that it is the system that
fails her and not herself.

The point I would like to draw attention to is that while the
inconspicuously average Malaysian has been doing different things
(they raise their brooms), our actions have not reached a cohesive
altitude to render the final push. Average Malaysians need someone to
play a linking lynch-pin role.

For example, if someone could start to pick our brains from Britain or
Down Under or review the issues we have raised, many Malaysians
outside the country may have to chance to vote in the coming 13th
general election in our residential countries. We would love that
right.

On another occasion, if someone could put in some time and effort, we
may have leaders from the political parties coming to the foreign
shores and receive thunderous applause for their political ‘ceramah'.
These are not easy passageways but we need politicians, political
parties and NGO to champion these tasks. The aim is to share the
roles, do different things, assist each other and together we aim for
one purpose ie, a vote for ultimate transformation.

My take is that we need to work smart rather than hard. If we cannot
implement democratic rights from within, we can play different roles
from where we stand and meet each other at a certain intersection.

Getting all Malaysians together outside the country could add muscle
to the voices within. It is time we start to work together despite of
our different temperaments and beliefs. We must encourage each one to
take different on positions and roles. We must explain and encourage
people on the need to take up ‘the brooms' as every single voice and
vote counts. Most importantly, we must have great perseverance and
patience as this is a long and hard battle.

This is the only way and the best chance after 52 years. Come the 13th
general election, we should have a checklist of all the unwarranted
things that the present coalition has done and circulate the list to
others to remind us of why we should vote for an ultimate
transformation. I can picture that many of us would be taking the next
flight home come the 13th general election with one mission. I shall
see you all at the polling station.

Search for better lives non-bumis face dilemma

I think the UMNO is glad to get rid of talented non-bumis. Their actions speak for itself.

From: "Gordon"
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:34:14 +1000
Local: Sat, Jun 13 2009 6:34 am
Subject: Re: Search for better lives, non-bumis face dilemma

Are you going to be a suicide bomber to show an example that you want to
stand up for the cause? Going in as protesters will not be of any use. If
you make too much noise, they will just jail you. A few suicide bombers will
force the government to change and start according fairness to all. It is
bums like you that enable the current system to flourish


Search for better lives, non-bumis face dilemma
Derrick Chan | May 28, 09 6:22pm

I refer to the opinion written by George CN Lee titled "Why talented
Malaysians have to leave".

George's opinion is shared by many Malaysians. This is especially
among Malaysians of non-bumiputera origin. He points out the
negativity in the economic, social and political situation in
Malaysia. Mr. Lee is a shameless armchair critic.

Mr. Lee sends his pessimistic views from a far. What makes it more
difficult for me to stomach is that he offers no solution to the
problem. He also refuses to be part of the solution. He complaint
about Malaysia even after calling somewhere else home. I know many
will agree that this is just plain typical of the third generation of
Malaysians of Chinese-origin.

I dislike the effect his opinion will have on Malaysians. Mr. Lee has
inadvertently encouraged Malaysians to migrate by painting a very
sorrowful situation in Malaysia. I admit that what he wrote is true
and I do not deny it. However, the sad part is that other ex-
Malaysians like Mr. Lee are too afraid to take part in the movement
for change. He has decided that flight is better than fight.

Like Mr. Lee, I am a Malaysian of Chinese origin. As I grew up, I came
to terms that I am a Malaysian-born citizen who happens to be a
Chinese. It was by fate, and not design.

Back then in China, the local armed strife is well-documented. As a
result, my ancestors left China many years ago. They were left with no
choice as the land they toiled was forcefully taken over by the
Communist movement, by force, in China. They were left in dire
conditions. It broke their hearts to leave but they had to because
they were supporters of democratic principles. They tried their best
and risked their lives trying to counter the Communist movement but
failed. It was only then they decided to take flight.

They boarded ships, not knowing where they would land. All they knew
was that they were heading South. I believed that it was destiny that
brought them to the shores of the peninsular so that they could
rebuild their lives and live peacefully. The then Malaya provided them
with this excellent opportunity. This was a land that gave new hope
and as I like to call it, they lived the Malaysian Dream.

There is a caveat to my definition of ‘Malaysian Dream'. It is unlike
the American Dream. I would not be able to define this in my short
treatise. However, the summary of my Malaysian Dream is that every
Malaysian regardless of race is accorded the justice and equality to
build a home and live happy lives. I can imagine that many of you
think that equality and justice is a fable to non-bumiputeras and I do
not deny it. However, we can change it to what it was before and
flourish like how Malaysia did in its formative years.

I would be lying if I said that I have never considered migration. I
have but not anymore. I weighed the pros and cons of why I should and
should not migrate. I even went to the extent of writing it down. At
the end, I came to the conclusion that I would never ever leave home.
I was born in this country and I will be buried with my forefathers
who also call this place home.

Home is an institution. It is unlike a house. A house is merely a
structure with four walls and a roof over it. I must say that Malaysia
as my home is still an institution. It has not been reduced to a
house. Malaysia was a good home to all of us.

About 60 to 70 years ago, you would hardly hear anything about racial
conflict. Everyone lived in peace and harmony. However, for Malaysia
to maintain its homely status, it needs housekeeping. And housekeeping
is every Malaysian citizen's duty.

It was not until all of us Malaysians started to be complacent and
left the duties of housekeeping to a few people. The Malaysians who
became complacent started not to care. This contributed to the
infamous ‘tidak apa' attitude that still prevails in Malaysia.

Mr. Lee compares the living standards between Malaysian and Australia.
I shall take the bull by the horns on this issue. The reason that
Australia and other Western countries have better system of governance
is simple: The people who live there have a more participative
attitude towards governance. This is opposed to the nonchalant
attitude among Malaysians and an example of this would be that they
have never voted in their lives.

They are scared to participate in civil society. They're afraid to
join peaceful protests in Malaysia because they're afraid that the sun
will darken their skin. Basically, they're just not interested. This
non-interested approached has hurt Malaysia and is the main cause why
Malaysia is in the state it is today.

Every Malaysian is given a broom by right. That broom is to clean up
our home. It is to keep it neat and tidy. However, the sad thing is
that many Malaysians have never lifted that broom. They've assumed
that it's better to flee to other countries, as if they don't have
housekeeping duties there.

To sum this up, my message to fellow Malaysians is simple: Go and pick
up that broom you were given. Go and participate in the democratic
movement in Malaysia and get involved especially if you, such as Mr.
George Lee, think that Malaysia is losing its status of being a home
to you. Don't be persuaded by what he says. He didn't bother lifting
up the broom to tidy our home.

Don't throw in the towel until the broom you've been given is broken.
If your broom breaks like how my ancestor's one broke in China, then I
would not fault you if you take flight as you've already fought.
I will certainly not give up on Malaysia. I hope you will not too.

It's time Malaysia changes for the good

Only Time can change evil to good, the next few elections will decide, not some unknown man-made belief called God.

From: "Gordon"
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 08:25:34 +1000
Local: Sat, Jun 13 2009 6:25 am
Subject: Re: It's time Malaysia changes for the good

It has been said that the evil that man do live after, the good is often
interred within their bones. So far all these evil deeds have served these
people well. Their comforts and well being have not been affected. Satan
rule the day and there is heaven on earth for them. Absolute power is bliss

==========
It's time Malaysia changes for the good
Krismurthi | May 29, 09 4:41pm

I am a Malaysian by birth but have settled here in the UK for more
than 25 years now. It's my home and I feel I have been blessed by God
to be here in the UK.

Back in Malaysia, there is no freedom of speech and anything and
everything is threatened with arrest and detention (which does not
happen here in the UK as you would for yourselves have seen in the
recent demonstrations outside Parliament house by the Tamils in the UK
against persecution by the Sri Lankan Government).

I am a very high-ranking officer now with the British government and
am glad to say I am observing the Malaysian politics everyday.
Sometimes, I am too embarrassed to explain the truth to my British
colleagues who constantly condemn the Malaysian government. The world
is watching.

Najib Abdul Razak is now in power. He was overseas educated, similar
to his brother both whom were educated here in the UK whilst I was
studying here too. Why obtain a British education but don't improve
yourselves for the betterment of the country?

I suppose they just studied here but failed to customise themselves
with the good British values especially for politics - this in terms
of practising equal rights for all races.

Just ask yourselves, how much of a ‘brain drain' has taken place in
Malaysia with all our Malaysian geniuses scientists, researchers,
surgeons and bankers all residing overseas.

Why? Because Malaysia stinks of double standards and an unbalanced and
biased education system. It's time Malaysia changes for the good.
Everything should be based on merit and with this the country would be
much respected by all foreign investors and Malaysia will thrive.

Stop the New Economic Policy and all the bumiputera will be able stand
on their feet be as competitive like the Chinese and Indians.

Let bygones be bygones. The new government has to make a drastic
change for if not, Malaysia will sink.

Doesn't Najib think highly about Malaysia? Why educate and let your
children live overseas? Aren't you ashamed that your children would
now be able to teach you some good English manners in terms of human
rights and values?

A man who is not confident of himself uses the ISA to his benefit. For
that matte, there is Hishamuddin Hussein, another overseas educated
person. It is so shameful on you to have spent your years studying
overseas but have failed to pick up good values when you returned
home.

For the alleged wrongdoing about the PM in a murder case, if there is
some element of truth, we'll there is something called karma. Each of
us will pay for what we have done during our lifetime.

Similarly, for Samy Vellu, it's time for him to go now. The Indians
have lost trust in you so let some new leaders take over.You made
millions for yourself but this won't be forgiven.

There is something called respect and dignity so don't lose them Samy
because it's difficult to buy them back with money.

I write the above as a Malaysian in Britain who awaits to see changes
in Malaysia either during this lifetime (hopefully) or at the very
least, during my sons' lifetimes.

Odelia Pinot confirmed by forensic - raped and tortured

JAKARTA (AFP) - - A medical examination of a teenage US-Indonesian model who claimed she was raped and tortured by her Malaysian prince husband, has confirmed she was physically abused, a forensic expert said on Tuesday.

Manohara Odelia Pinot, 17, last week told reporters she was treated like a sex slave after her marriage last year to Tengku Temenggong Mohammad Fakhry, the prince of Malaysia's Kelantan state.

She escaped the prince's guards at a Singapore hotel and returned to her family in Indonesia with tales of abuse, rape and torture at the hands of the 31-year-old prince.

"There are slash wounds on many parts of her body, especially on her chest. Some are still fresh," forensic doctor Mun'im Idries told AFP.

"We are still examining her blood and urine samples because she said she had been given jabs," he said adding that he also found an injection mark on her back.

Manohara -- a well-known socialite in Jakarta -- claimed to have been cut with a razor and injected with drugs which made her vomit blood while being held under guard in her bedroom at the palace.

She said after the examination on Tuesday that the prince would have sexual intercourse after injecting her with an unidentified substance.

"I don't know what I had been given but I could not move. I could see, feel, hear and smell... my senses are still there but I couldn't move," she told TV One channel.

With the help of Singapore police, the former model escaped home to Jakarta while visiting her father-in-law, Sultan Ismail Petra Shah II who was being treated at a Singapore hospital.

"The medical examination has been completed and the result confirmed that there is physical abuse all over her body. Her story has proven to be true," one of her lawyers Farhat Abbas told AFP.

He said his client on Tuesday formally lodged a written report on the alleged abuse with the Indonesian police. Besides the prince, she had named six other people, including the sultan and his wife, as accomplices.

"We have received the report today," national police spokesman Abubakar Nataprawira told AFP.

"Indonesian police is not able to investigate the case as the alleged abuse took place in Malaysia which is out of our jurisdiction. But we will assist in reporting the case to Malaysian police," he added.

Photos taken inside A330 Air France just before crash







Feel so sad for all the passengers including the extraordinary photographer, who kept his cool even in his last moments of life and took this photo. Hats off to him!!!

Yesterday the world saw the disappearance of an A330 Air France during a trans Atlantic flight between Rio to Paris . Very ironic that a day before I got a mail of the photos taken a a passenger on a flight mins after a mid air collision, and mins before the crash of the said aircraft

Two shots taken inside the plane before it crashed. Unbelievable! Photos taken inside the GOL B 737 aircraft that was involved in a mid air collision and crashed.....

A B737 had a mid air collision with the Embraer Legacy while cruising at 35,000 feet over South America . The Embraer Legacy, though seriously damaged with the winglet ripped off, managed to make a landing at a nearby airstrip in the midst of the Amazon jungle. The crew and passengers of the Embraer Legacy had no idea what they had hit. The B737
however crashed, killing all crew and passengers on board.

The two photos attached were apparently taken by one of the passengers in the B737, just after the collision and before the aircraft crashed. The photos were retrieved from the camera's memory stick. You will never get to see photos like this. In the first photo, there is a gaping hole in the fuselage through which you can see the tailplane and vertical fin of the aircraft. In the second photo, one of the passengers is being sucked out of the gaping hole.

Mahathir tidak setuju k'jaan perpaduan

From: Khairy
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 04:36:04 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jun 9 2009 7:36 pm
Subject: Mahathir tidak setuju k'jaan perpaduan

Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad berkata pembangkang perlu ada bagi memainkan
peranannya sebagai "cermin" kepada kerajaan dan "tidak sihat"
mewujudkan negara satu parti.

"Kalau nak buat negara satu parti ni, kurang sihat la, kita kena ada
pembangkang, jika tidak kita tidak ada cermin nak tengok muka kita,
cantik ke tidak," katanya ketika diminta mengulas cadangan Presiden
PAS Datuk Seri Abdul Hadi Awang.

Mantan perdana menteri berkata idea kerajaan perpaduan yang
dimaksudkan Abdul Hadi juga "tidak jelas", sama ada ia dilakukan di
antara PAS dan Umno atau BN dengan pakatan pembangkang, lapor Bernama.

"Dulu masa kita tubuhkan BN, kita jemput semua orang (parti) untuk
menyertai dan yang tolak hanya DAP.

"PAS pun masuk jugak BN tapi kemudian kita terpaksa berpisah dengan
PAS sebab dia guna kuasa dia dalam kerajaan untuk perkukuhkan parti
dia bukan BN," Dr Mahathir dipetik berkata dalam satu sidang media di
Shah Alam hari ini.

Ditanya bukankah perpaduan itu akan memberikan keuntungan kepada
negara, Dr Mahathir berkata ia mendatangkan kebaikan jika kedua-dua
pihak ikhlas melakukannya demi untuk negara.

"Tapi ahli politik ni kadangkala susah jugak nak ikhlas, saya ahli
politik
jugak tau," katanya sambil tersenyum.

Terdahulu, Dr Mahathir merasmikan kilang perintis Green Base Utama Sdn
Bhd di Seksyen 28 di sini, yang mampu menukar barang buangan plastik
kepada biofuel.

Saranan segelintir pemimpin atasan PAS untuk menubuhkan kerajaan
perpaduan bukan sahaja dibantah oleh pemimpin-pemimpin kanan parti itu
tetapi tidak diterima oleh rakan kongsinya dalam Pakatan Rakyat.

Homosexuals

From: CKSF
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 11:09:47 +0800
Local: Thurs, Jun 4 2009 11:09 am
Subject: Re: Homosexuals

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:17:35 +1000, "Shing Cheng" in
wrote/and/or quoted:

>Does Free Masons take in homo sexuals as members of their fraternity in
>Malaysia.?

no one knows

> Is it illegal to practice homosexuality in Malaysia?

if you are a muslim, yes
you have your balls crushed

Muslims need to change

From: "Gordon"
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:13:26 +1000
Local: Fri, Jun 5 2009 7:13 pm
Subject: Re: Muslims need to change

It is bums like you who continue to forment the hatred between Muslims and
non Muslims. The likes of people like you need to change. Remember and is it
difficult to understand that the Jews have as much right to live as the
Palaestinians? Both sides need to work hard to find the compromise. People
like you make it very hard for the leaders to do so. Piss off Haji. You are
a disgrace as a Haji and supposed man of Islam.

"Ir. Hj. Othman bin Hj. Ahmad" wrote in message
news:46289af8-9eec-4af5-b912-9709c8958125@j18g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 5, 1:20 pm, "Gordon" wrote:


> For as long as the Koran exhorts its followers to kill all infidels or
> people who are non Muslims, there will be no peace beteen Muslims and non
> Muslims. Their Clerics need to actively denounce their Koran's demand of

Who is killing who in Israel?

It is the Jews that are killing the Muslims.

> the killing of non Muslims who refuse to convert to Islam. They have to

You mean the muslims killed in Israel are trying to convert Jews to
Islam??
IN the first place, who is killing whom?

FActs indicate that it is the non-Muslims that are actively killing
Muslims, more frequently and in greater numbers with bigger weapons.

The Muslims only respond with stones in most cases.

> change their ways of winning over converts. They have to actvely preach
> the
> right of every human being to decide on their own faith and also accept
> that
> people do change their minds about their faiths

From: Paul Saccani
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 23:21:41 +0800
Local: Sat, Jun 6 2009 11:21 pm
Subject: Re: Muslims need to change

Ahmad" wrote:
>On Jun 5, 1:20 pm, "Gordon" wrote:
>> For as long as the Koran exhorts its followers to kill all infidels or
>> people who are non Muslims, there will be no peace beteen Muslims and non
>> Muslims. Their Clerics need to actively denounce their Koran's demand of

>Who is killing who in Israel?

>It is the Jews that are killing the Muslims.

Mainly, it is Muslims killing people indiscriminately.

>> the killing of non Muslims who refuse to convert to Islam. They have to

>You mean the muslims killed in Israel are trying to convert Jews to
>Islam??
>IN the first place, who is killing whom?

Again, mainly it is Muslims killing people indiscriminately.

>FActs indicate that it is the non-Muslims that are actively killing
>Muslims, more frequently and in greater numbers with bigger weapons.

Delusions aren't the same thing as facts.

>The Muslims only respond with stones in most cases.

So, you think Muslims are stupid?
--
Cheers
Paul Saccani
Perth, Western Australia.